Posts by Old Navy

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

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friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Old Navy

Quote from Pale.Emperor:

Wouldn't that mean that God him/herself is even more complex than the Universe and therefore would also need an even more complex creator, and so on and so on etc?

We may easily come to that possible conclusion based upon what we see and contend with in our Physical Realm, but I believe not. There are certain things which the Human Mind cannot easily grasp such as Infinity and a God for whom all things are possible. One day we shall have all of the answers to these enigmatic questions. It's gonna be a good time.

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Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

by Issa in

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friends

i left the jw organization last year during summer.

maybe some of you can relate.

who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

Old Navy

The Book tells us that life is precious. All life. It also tells us that ALL will be raised from death and made whole, cleansed and healed. At this point in our existence it matters not if it is believed or rejected. ALL are covered and ALL are included. None will be forgotten. We will all live again to find and experience all that we are longing for. Then we will know.

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New Episode with a Special Announcement

by dubstepped in

*new episode with a special announcement*.

so episode 5 of "shunned" is now up featuring caleb, a 19 year old ex-jw that was brave enough to take a stand for truth at just 18 years of age.

he's leaving for the army on january the 23rd so i tried to get this one out as soon as possible.

Old Navy

This should be a really good one; I'll listen shortly.

Naturally I believe that Caleb would get a better education in the Navy but, then again, all the services are very beneficial for a young man wanting to know more. Good for him.

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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

Old Navy

As an engineer trained to evaluate systems within systems within systems, whose functions are complementary and contribute to a complex array of diverse cooperative functions, the design of all life on Planet Earth is found to be incredibly complicated. The thought that all of this beautiful, productive life which covers the Planet just came into existence without an extremely intelligent guiding hand is incomprehensible.

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Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

by Issa in

jw
friends

i left the jw organization last year during summer.

maybe some of you can relate.

who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

Old Navy

The extent of my "indoctrination" was very, very brief compared to the vast majority here. Approximately three years, with many interruptions by opposing family, from the age of 16 to 18. Then following my retirement from the Navy I associated with a local congregation for several intermittent periods as an "interested person" (never letting anyone know that I had been baptized years before) over a period of approximately 6 years. I did notice an enormous change in the way things were done following my departure from The Cult and 22 year hiatus but I, thankfully, never experienced any of the heartbreaking problems that so many here have.

Consequently I never lost faith in Our Creator. Just came to realize beyond any doubt that the WTBorg Cult Inc. was not The Truth at all. The god of the witnesses is not a nice person. The fear level within the congregation was almost palpable.

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Anointed Delusions of Grandeur

by Kohanic in

so here is something i've been wondering about.

how do the 'anointed' come to the conclusion that they are chosen?

is it some weird collective delusion of grandeur and how is it manifested in such ones?.

Old Navy

It is looking like the "Jw Experience" brings out an awful lot of bitterness post-escape.

Mind Control is real and it is effective.

Behavior Modification.

For a lifetime.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

Old Navy

Quote from _Morpheus:

Consider the most basic facts: the pyramid of giza is 455 tall and made of stone, constructed around 2560 bc. It is a marvel of construction for that time to be sure... also fact: the washigton monument is 555 feet tall and made of stone and was completed in 1888. Why the hell would you think a smaller structure made of the same material couldnt have been made? How stupid are you people? What possible logic do you have for your assertion?

What presently remains of the Great Pyramids are just the cores of the structures. The outer surfaces of the pyramids, which were apparently a limestone mortar, are completely gone. When in their prime the surfaces of the pyramids were smooth and white as snow. Unlike anything the World has ever seen.

Documentaries of the numerous incredible structures in South America are at high altitudes in mountainous terrain. Even with our modern machinery and skills at building, it would be exceedingly difficult to replicate what has been done there. To assume that it was done by humans seems highly unlikely.

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Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

by paradiseseeker in

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friends

this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

Old Navy

Quote from Long Hair Gal:

The reason many DFd go back and endure humiliation is because they are scared of the world they were not taught to live in.

I'd carry that statement just a bit further: "...the world they were not permitted to live in."

If they had been permitted freedom to live in it, with the ability to make sure of all things, they'd have awakened before the indoctrination enslaved them. Hopefully.

Fear does some really horrible things to an otherwise healthy mind.

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Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

by paradiseseeker in

jw
friends

this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

Old Navy

Those who are unknowingly deceived are never better off.

While they may feel confidently comfortable within The Cult it is only because they have fallen under its spell and bought the lies hook, line and sinker.

Look how many of the formerly deceived while waking up (PIMO) are unable to walk away from The Cult for fear losing family, friends and security. The Deceivers of WTBorg Cult Inc. have made sure that any who dare to exit The Cult will have to make exceedingly difficult and painful choices.

How can that be "better off" by any definition? Perhaps in this sense they are better off: during the period of Judgment the deceived will be held accountable for less than the deceivers.

The Really Good News is that none have to fear eternal destruction never to be raised from death. All will be healed and restored to life, even the worst of the sinners and killers as in the example of Saul who became Paul. As we are made to re-live whatever horrible deeds we may have done in this life there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth while in the Lake of Fire, but we'll survive and be fully cleansed. This present life is just the beginning of a future life without end!

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

Old Navy

Quote from kairos:

I like the FACT that the ancient builders of the world's megaliths not only accomplished tasks still not attainable by modern technology, they also thought the earth was flat.
true story.

Some Bible scholars have come to believe that those builders possessed super-human skills and abilities. They may have been the Giant Nephilim who populated Earth in the time of Noah and later. If that is so then they would have known that Earth is indeed a spheroid.

It is quite true that our modern construction skills and machinery would not enable us to readily duplicate many of those ancient structures. One day we will know how they were made and who made them.